Media Arts Education in Canada – a Report Card – February 2012
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NEW: LINKS TO SCHOOLS – in the Blogroll – (right panel)
December 2011 – added report on Sheridan College – Media Arts Program (below)
January 2012 – added report on the Toronto Film School – RCC Institute of Technology (below)
February 2012 – new feature – “email of the month” (below).
email: jimlamarche@sympatico.ca
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introduction:
i’m posting this honest impression/my thoughts on media arts education in canada. i’m leaving after 25 years, having visited/participated/taught or guest lectured in all of these schools and have had many conversations with students/graduates from each school about their experiences. i don’t feel that i have a lot to lose by helping people to make a better informed decision on their future. this is a totally unbiased overview; having no particular connection to any of these institutions nor ill feelings/judgements towards them. this is a no-nonsense, un-spun report about who they are and what they’re essentially about. it should be noted that it is only my intention to provide useful information in this interactive forum from which those reader-participants can use to their benefit.
there are good schools out there. those with integrity and benevolent causes. the schools below range in price between $6,000 and $30,000 (one year).
i am grading schools knowing them all well at this point, and it’s an honest assessment based on experience. i am open to receiving questions personally from anyone who wants to know more (email address bottom). for now here’s the list in order of preference and ‘bang for the buck’ performance on each school. each is graded from my unique perspective (in brackets)
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1. OIART – London (A+) – the Ontario Institute of Audio Recording Technology would receive the highest grade from my perspective, having spent the better part of a day there a few years ago. i played in a band with OIARTs founder Paul Steenhuis 34 years ago, when/where he took me under his wing and taught me much of what i know about audio, brilliant man, when i was going to Fanshawe College in the late 70′s, when he taught at Fanshawe. Paul was a gifted musician and engineer/producer from the UK and had a totally different approach. even back then. although OIART is out in the boonies, it’s curricula, facilities and mandate are first rate. no bling, platinum platitudes, song and dance … no ‘dog and pony’ show, no “future idol” crap, what you see is what you get. pure juice - no sugar added - straight forward and honest. highly recommended.
2. Harris Institute – Toronto (A) – John Harris left Trebas Institute in 1989 with his own vision and ideas on how entertainment/recording arts should be taught and was the second serious school of it’s kind to evolve in the GTA. it’s truly unique and i give it an A as it is a humble and yet powerful little institution that’s less expensive than most (offering the same curricula) giving it the edge. i’m thinking that Harris Institute’s Arts Management Program is probably the best of it’s kind in Canada for 2 reasons – John Harris (founder / director) has many years of experience in artist management and knows the business inside out, upside down and backwards. Also Bob Roper who heads the AMP, is an industry veteran who has worked in A & R, publicity/promotion and has been a tour manager for major recording artists signed to major labels – these guys KNOW what they’re talking about. they are both extremely passionate/committed about what they do as well. Harris get’s top marks for their AMP program and i would recommend it hands down over any other school, particularly for those who want to succeed in this area. Its sense of ‘community’ is strong and the instruction is top notch … a lot of history there. i believe it to be the best education value in the GTA. recommended.
3. Ryerson University – RTA / Radio Television Arts – Toronto (B+) – I taught audio production in RTA from 1993 – 95 at the Rogers Communications Centre when it was still Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, just before it became a university and I have spoken to several graduates since about their experience there in RTA, having met most of them in an industry capacity working in the field after they finished. Ryerson was/is a great school – certainly one of the best public post-secondary institutions in the country. Unlike most of the other schools here in this report, RTA focuses more on servicing the “broadcast” sector, where thousands of RTA’s graduates are now fully integrated into successful careers in a different quadrant of media arts but still crossing over into the audio/visual production arena. “Radio Television Arts” is an anachronism now, just like the word “video” or the term “multi-media” is – which is an unfortunate indicator that RTA lags in terms of todays relevance and yet is still an important contributor to the media arts education system in Canada and is a must for this report. If my kid was interested in doing something in media arts, I wouldn’t hesitate to support his/her choice to do the RTA program at Ryerson University, if only for the reason that there is an elevated probability that he/she will integrate into a successful professional media arts career after graduating. the root structure is 62 years deep at Ryerson (RTA started in 1949) and is very solid which counts for a lot especially IF – a graduate wants to “connect” with the real world. Ryerson University is a true testament of the public education sectors intrinsic value – pure, simple and honest, (even if it’s yesterdays news). recommended. there is a link to RTA courses w/pdf descriptions in the blogroll (right).
these institutions above, are the only schools that i would seriously recommend particularly to those who have real talent, ambition, self-discipline, passion and desire. Any of these 3 schools are favourable platforms from which to start a successful career in audio/media/entertainment.
4. Metalworks Institute – Mississauga (B) - founded more recently by Gil Moore from the 80′s “corporate rock” band Triumph and a few who migrated from the fall-out of Trebas Institute in 2005, starting their ‘elite entertainment arts’ institution west of Toronto as an extension of the Metalworks Studios complex in Mississauga. they were looking to make a “splash” in the media arts education scene and they did just that. great facilities and a slick presentation compliment their experienced faculty in an impressive combination of well-kept analog and state of the art digital technologies (best of the new and old). their affiliation/partnership with Digidesign/ProTools creators also makes them a serious choice, bringing with it a solid sense of meaningful history as well. having recently finished a tour of duty there (2 years), i would have to say that their biggest downfall is in that they think that they are THE best school (ego) even though they haven’t been around long. the schools stoic ‘attitude’ (and superiority mentality) is lacking in both the creative passion and humility that’s necessary to thrive (in media arts education). MWI has an “authoritarian” approach to education – containment and control being their priority over freedom of expression, and willingness to take in constructive criticism. they sponsor the “mississauga future star” search (pretending that it’s relevant) and promote the platinum “dream” in exchange for big money – “elite entertainment arts” with emphasis on the “elite” and de-emphasis on the “art”. that being said; there are a lot of good things going on out there in a culturally confused mississauga. despite the reported short-comings, MWI has a legitimate agenda, good organizational structure, a solid curricula and some top notch players on board. it’s a tough school and those who graduate will have strong survival skills … thus definitely worth a look at.
5. Sheridan College – Media Arts Program – Oakville (C+) – inspired by a couple of recent emails – and what appears to be an obvious need to address Sheridans efforts in media arts education. Like Ryerson (above) and Fanshawe (below), Sheridan College is a bona-fide public institution / Community College which means that what it basically comes down to is … what you see is what you get. the one thing i love about public education is that there is (for the most part) an absence of the many contrivances that are more obvious in the private career college (PCC) sector and a lot less pretentious posturing. although Sheridan’s MAP is more humbly equipped than Fanshawe’s MIA (Music Industry Arts), the curricula is more grounded in the reality of the Media Arts landscape and more graduates integrate successfully because of it. this is largely due to the fact that it resides on the periphery of the GTA and there are more grads who find meaningful employment in a nearby cosmopolitan centre, whereas most grads from Fanshawe’s MIA program drift into oblivion because London is so far away and removed from any real meaningful media arts activity. at Sheridan you will be practicing the skills necessary to integrate into a more diverse arena where the game presents more options and opportunities. you will learn the solid basics around Screenwriting, Producing, Directing, Camera and Lighting, Editing, Sound and Digital Effects (the nuts and bolts of any comprehensive media arts education platform). another perk is that after completing the MAP, graduates can bridge into an Honours BFA degree at York University, or University of Toronto or earn a Bachelor of Communications degree at Griffith University in Brisbane Australia. The down-side, as reported at Fanshawe a similar type of government run institution – is that it’s long and it’s slow – teachers are unionized and there is an elevated level of complacency in any such system of education. at Sheridan, In 3 years (6 semesters), a student / participant will spend $22,323 in tuition and another $7,500 in books and other fees coming in at almost $30,000 in total. that’s a tough pill to swallow and a massive OSAP loan to deal with later. is it worth it? the answer: maybe. it depends on the person (ambition). some people thrive in a slower community college environment – needing the time to formulate their plan. others thrive in a shorter term PCC environment that moves faster and is more expensive – per education year. one has to go and evaluate carefully asking a lot of good questions. that being said, successful media arts graduates from any school are a minority over those who have made it, (making their living in media arts) – that includes Sheridan. all risky but if one has the passion and the willingness to sacrifice, then just maybe it’s worth it. all in all i’d say that if you’re young – have lots of time – and still live with mom and dad – Sheridans Media Arts Program may just right for you.
6. Fanshawe College – Music Industry Arts – London (C) – (updated December 2011) - i graduated from MIA in 1977 and they have great, modern facilities and a solid faculty, however there are several problems here. Fanshawe is the only public community college that supports a legitimate curricula in media arts/audio and is very different because of this. first problem: most students finally getting in, have to spend a whole academic year in general arts & sciences, before they can qualify for MIA, which is a waste of time and a cash grab by the college. where once there was a rigorous audition process to screen applicants and a long-waiting list, now almost anyone with a 2.0 GPA in general arts and sciences can enroll (and the college crams them in). this minimal academic focus has sucked the wind out of MIAs creative sails and has increased the amount of “sludge” getting in (those with little talent or desire). there was a time when class sizes were small and every student in MIA was uniquely gifted (technically and creatively), which elevated the whole experience – times have changed. second problem: the fact that it’s a government institution augments a heavy sense of complacency which does not support solid work-place integration for graduates. the result of this is a l-o-n-g and s-l-o-w process which is lacking in any real inspiration. i’ve taught there too and have done guest lectures over the past 20 years. you could look at it this way, to do all of MIA and the optional digital/post elective year would be about $24,000 – so in the end, it’s actually the same if not more (with living expenses) than it would cost to do a ‘fast track’ (one year) at most other schools and it’s a 3-4 year commitment (with GAS). also, in my opinion … a slow education makes for a slower career evolution. most in MIA live in a comfortable insular bubble that’s cut off from the outside world. slow breeds slow. frankly, most of the 100+ students (even the handful of talented ones), who enroll there every september are wasting their time (and money). there’s a very real “union shop” feel to Fanshawe and MIA feeling like a mere extension of high school. the antiquated work ethic which prevails here is particularly incongruous with the competitive reality of the music/audio/sound/media-arts business. What was once an ambitious and vibrant artistic community in the 70′s – that lived life on the edge, has since been reduced (like the franchises in their junk food courts) to an exercise in commercialized bureaucratic futility – not recommended.
7. Toronto Film School – RCC Institute of Technology – Toronto (C-) - i taught courses/workshops at the original Toronto Film School from 2005-2007, in their RAT – Recording Arts Technology program when it was in the CBC building as part of the IAOD – International Academy of Design before it closed 3 years ago. i visited the new TFS recently, and prompted by a few recent emails lately, i have taken down my old (out-dated) review and am re-writing this review from scratch. it is with some hesitation that i enter the new TFS so low in the list – and yet do so with the optimism that this will quickly change and be upgraded over the next year to 3 years. The original TFS was an unfortunate bi-product of the (publically american owned and plagued) CEC – “Career Education Corporation”, having had 80+ campuses world-wide – and having licensed and operated the TFS at their now defunct IAOD campus here in toronto (wellington street at john). CEC dumped/closed IAOD / TFS and a dozen other schools throughout north america, because of the massive head-aches around mis-management, law-suits etc etc – a huge mess. The original TFS was expensive and BAD! OK – this is the NEW TFS (version 2.0) and they would really prefer – that we don’t talk about the old one – yes, this is a whole new ball-game – now owned and operated by a canadian owned PCC – RCC Institute of Technology. bad karma aside, the new TFS looks like it has a promising future – once they actually learn to stand up and walk again. the new campus (dundas square – toronto) is a progressive “work in progress” that is shape-shifted into a quasi-presentable mold (more resembling an unfinished model that still needs a lot of work than a real school), a project “in construction” as it were. staff seems stable and positive and facilities are clean, simple and functional – all small format – computer/software based which will need to be augmented (larger format facilities) in order for the new TFS to be taken seriously (like a decent post-production suite). it will be interesting to see what RCC does with the new TFS. will there be some real forward thinking (entrepreneurial spirit) in mapping out this potentially great school, or will it default to the safety of the status quo – recirculating the bad smell that was there just a few years earlier? either way – i wouldn’t recommend the TFS for at least another year, once they work out some of the bugs, and finish putting humpty dumpty back together again.
8. RAC – Recording Arts Canada – Toronto/Montreal (D) – founded by the Keca brothers many years ago (originally in montreal). i did a guest lecture there in 2001 at their stoney creek campus. it was a nice feeling and yet a fledgling institution devoted to educating young entrepreneurs in audio. they moved to Toronto in 2005 giving them a bit of an edge and yet they struggle with the competition. in the many studios/projects (albums/tv/docs/advertising) that i’ve done work on/with in the past 25 years, i have never worked with a RAC graduate nor seen any employed in a professional capacity. i have however, spoken/communicated with a few graduates after the fact who are working in unrelated professions, saying that RAC was a waste of their time and money. I’m sure there are some success stories here as there are in any school – i just don’t know of any first-hand.
9. Trebas Institute – Toronto/Montreal (F) – it hangs on. how? i don’t know. i taught there for 21 years (1983-2004, Toronto Campus) and it was the first private vocational school of it’s kind in Ontario founded in 1979 by David Leonard (still president) who essentially saw it as a way to make money (still does). when i came in, trebas was in 2 rooms at the back of the now defunct mclear place studios on mutual street (previously RCA) before moving to new humble digs on dundas street (near parliament) in 1986. trebas was actually quite good in the late 90′s with the highlight being their affiliation with CBC/GGS (Glenn Gould Studios) where i alone conducted advanced digital multi-tracking workshops on the AMS/Neve Capricorn system in studios 210/211 (multi-million dollar rooms/studios) exposing final term audio engineering and production students to a wide array of musical experiences (pro jazz/classical/acoustic/rock/urban) from 1998-2003. in an attempt to expand, they moved to their College/University campus (Stewart Building) in 2001, where costs/overhead became too high and quality plunged drastically. they dropped CBC and began hiring recent grads to teach (cheap labour) with no experience in the field so i bailed a couple of years later. in short, they made a move that was beyond their reach and resulted in their ultimate down-turn. they struggle to survive in the west end of Toronto (Bloor/Dundas).
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in closing -
I am speculating out of experience and close observation, that fewer than one in ten graduates (from most media/entertainment arts schools) actually finds meaningful employment in this field and that most grads are forced to take non-related menial labour employment for years to survive and pay off hefty student loans for an education that they’ll never use. i am now communicating with some of my best students (graduates in media arts) over the years (facebook) and (with the exception of a rare few), they’re employed outside of the entertainment/music/audio business in totally unrelated vocations. many were brilliantly talented and dedicated students when i taught them (at Trebas, International Academy of Design, Metalworks and Fanshawe)! thousands disappear.
that being said, it largely comes down to commitment and the willingness to make the necessary sacrifices in order to succeed … BIG sacrifices. any school is a means to an end and ultimately (one of my faves) … ‘it’s not what you got but how you use it’. passion, desire and fearless risk-taking; along with the right education can be a very powerful combination. i’ve seen it work well.
there are many success stories starting in media arts education. i know label/publishing presidents, advertising music/sound gurus, film/tv composer/producers and LA/SF post/mix engineers who started their careers in a media arts school in canada and … i’ve NEVER seen a grads face in a music video (on TV) nor know of any who have become a successful music/album producer, (music biz) and i’ve taught 10,000+ students over the years. just once, i’d love to say … ‘hey, i taught that guy’ (nadda).
the competition is fierce and the ‘supply’ is 1000 times greater then the ‘demand’. none of these schools will tell you that going in (for obvious reasons). most students who sign up ‘think’ they’re dedicated to success (dazzled by the bells and whistles and a chance to be “larger than life”), but 1/2 drop out early when it gets too tough or studies interfere with their lifestyle (not worth the hassle). failing an exam or three or a course or three it’s over. time and money is wasted. often young people sign up for these courses like they’re buying a lottery ticket hoping to WIN. ok – only “old people” buy lottery tickets – youth buys pop culture.
clear perspective -
i think it’s important to keep everything in clear perspective. going to any media arts school in this report, (entertainment arts/audio/recording/music etc) is a lot like going to hockey school or sports camp with the goal of becoming a professional athlete or drafted into the NHL. while it’s true that students get to wear real matching jerseys (pro gear) and skate around in a major league rink (with uniformed referees), to get a feel of what it’s really like – all too often the thrill wears off – $20K later – expensive ride for mom and dad – and/or taxpayers – as many students get OSAP – and default on their payback. of course anything is possible and some (a few) grads do make the grade BUT – where does the fantasy end and the reality begin for everyone else? the majority of grads waiting in the wings – the hundreds graduating from these schools every year? how long does it take and how much money does it cost – hidden / distracted from the real truth until after it’s over? being told to stay focused – yes good things come to those who learn how to play “the game”. it’s the pictures of Wayne Gretsky holding the Stanley Cup (triumphant victory) that we’re being shown first before the invoice last – the ‘platinum platitudes’ as i call it, and it’s all too easy to slip into fantasy/delusion – that this can be real, simply by paying the price of admission. eventually – in time, everyone sees the multitudes of wishful thinkers (displaced media arts grads / drop-outs) – standing in line – hoping to be drafted into a few openings and only the super-stars will get in.
it’s like the “idol” phenomenon – only the ticket price for a shot at fame, fortune and glory – is BIG – and those who benefit most? are the “producers” of the show. so what about everyone else – the one’s you don’t see? lurking in the shadows – no one cares. most hack away at their craft, after graduating and posting their creations on the internet on facebook, reverbnation or any number of web-sites in flash formats amongst the gazillions (learning how to do that in school) – hoping that their number will be chosen and that their investment will be recouped – while paying the rent with a job at future shop or a music store – or volunteering, at the school/studio that they just came from as an intern, thinking that maybe this is the way IN (not) – most eventually drifting into oblivion (not employed in the biz) – that’s the reality.
it is simply my intention to inform and protect those who wish to pursue a higher education in media/audio arts. if you’ve attended any of these schools and wish to comment, i/we welcome your honest input. what was/is your experience? i welcome good news!
the way i look at it, and i’ve said it before – if the worlds next joni mitchell or trent reznor is out there reading this right now? then it won’t matter what jim lamarche or ANYONE has to say about anything. decide carefully.
LINKS TO SCHOOLS - Blogroll (right panel of this blog).
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C O M M E N T A R Y - welcome to a new feature: student / grads speak up around their experience in one of the reported schools. if you have attended or graduated from any media arts school, feel free to contribute. emails and responses in the Q & A section is always on-line (below).
jimlamarche@sympatico.ca
“Heap of Money” – by Jeremy Johnson - (graduate – media/entertainment arts school – GTA)
“Just what is the purpose of post-secondary education and what do I expect from it?” Well, for one, many would have us believe that it’s unreasonable to expect school to give us a ticket into paid employment. What? It’s unreasonable to expect anything to the contrary. So, the question is, why go to school? I believe there are three reasons:
1. for interest and self-improvement
2. because it’s tradition
3. to train or re-train towards a career.
Now, if you’re going to school for the simple fact of gaining more knowledge for interest sake, you’re probably not expecting to get a job in that field afterward. If you’re going to school because your parents think you should, or to fulfill some kind of status quo, then you probably have no idea what to take and why you’re taking it. However, if you’re going to school to train or re-train for a career or better career, you are most likely expecting to get a job in that field of study. You’re spending thousands of dollars and you are most likely looking at a return on investment which would be a paid job. How does this relate to audio schools? Well, you can take your $17,000.00 to $30,000.00 and go to audio school because:
1. you love music and audio and just want to get better at it
2. are seeking to fulfill some kind of status quo; although highly unlikely given the field of study
3. you want to enter into audio production as a career.
At this point, I’ll focus on point 3 because that’s why most people go to school. The question then becomes, “Are there any jobs in audio/music”?
The following is my experience as an audio school grad. I am someone who went to one of the schools that Jim mentions. I am also someone with a bachelor’s in music performance: I even won awards, was frequently on the Dean’s list, and graduated with high honours. I decided to go back to school to get into audio production as a career. Little did I know nor was I told that there are virtually no jobs. I wish that I had read Jim’s Report Card on Media Arts Education in Canada, but I don’t think it existed in 2007, and the reality it speaks about may have not sunk in. So I took my $20,000 and enrolled into the audio engineering program at the school. The school year started off with about 65 students, and at graduation there were about six of us. I was one of the high honours students. So, where is this dean’s list, award winning, high honours guy with a B.A. in music and a diploma in audio production? This guy who also performed and taught guitar for a living for years? Nowhere.
Shocked? Why are you shocked? I thought school wasn’t a ticket to a paid job. I can tell you that I’ve sent out cover letters and resumes, I’ve phoned and networked with studios and professionals both in music and post, and there are virtually no jobs out there. If there are, I have not been able to find them and no one has been able to point me to one either. So, what did I mean by “nowhere”? Since graduating, I’ve been able to do the occasional audio work, mostly freelance. When I do my taxes I’m hit with the sobering reminder that this may not be working out as I had hoped and worked so hard for. In case you may be thinking it might just be me– either very unlucky, not telling the whole truth, or maybe completely incompetent – Jim’s experience with grads speaks otherwise …
“I am speculating out of experience and close observation, that fewer than one in ten graduates … actually find meaningful employment in this field and that most grads are forced to take non-related menial labour employment for years to survive and pay off hefty student loans for an education that they’ll never use. I am now communicating with some of my best students (graduates in media arts) over the years (facebook) and (with the exception of a rare few), they’re employed outside of the entertainment/music/audio business in totally unrelated vocations. Many were brilliantly talented and dedicated students when I taught them.”
OK, Jim’s words aside … Here’s a glimpse into the life of a typical media-entertainment arts / audio student: First you spend, on average, $20,000.00 to get your audio/media arts diploma. After graduation, you begin looking for work only to find that you have to intern at a studio for anywhere from 3 to 12 months at 8 to 40 hours per week for free. Then if you do get hired, which is unlikely, you work around 50 to 70 hours per week at $15,000.00 to $19,000.00 per year; that’s only $4 to 5 per hour. Not only do you spend a pile of money on getting an education, but you’re also asked to work for free and if you do happen to get a job, you make less than minimum wage. This is disrespectful and probably illegal.
While I am thankful for what I learned, I have not received a good enough return on my investment. In fact, the risk was so high that the return should have reflected that. It has not. Any good entrepreneur will tell you to reduce the risk as much as you can. Also, the return on investment should equal the risk. Going to an audio school to prepare you for a career as an audio professional is very high risk, and unfortunately, the job prospects don’t square with the high tuition. If you go into audio school with this in mind, you’ll fare much better; and, if you decide not to go because of this sobering account, then you’ve just saved yourself a heap of money and a mountain of heart ache.
Jeremy Johnson – Toronto – 2011
editors note: it should be noted that Jeremy was one of the most gifted/talented and ambitious students that i’ve ever taught in the 25 years that i’ve been in media/audio/music arts education and now works as an assistant manager at the restaurant East Side Marios in the GTA. it should also be noted that this was Jeremy’s experience and doesn’t necessarily reflect all graduates of media arts schools outcome. there are many graduates of media arts schools in canada who are meaningfully employed in the media arts business.
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Q & A - email me if you want your comment posted upper or in the Q & A section below … most recent questions on top
email: jimlamarche@sympatico.ca
Email of the Month: February 2012: a new feature spotlighting the best email received – in the Q & A.
Hello Jim, Steve from Oshawa here, my older brother Aaron was a student of yours at IAOD/Recording Arts Technology a few years ago. I’m a film buff and am seriously considering moving to TO and going to film school. Being in the biz is what I’ve wanted to do since I was a kid. My fave directors are Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez but I love the classic directors – Hitchcock, Scorcese, Kubrick etc. I’m thinking maybe Ryersons Film Program or maybe York University, or maybe the new Toronto Film School but your review is a little less than special on them. I want to go to a film school that’s going to take me somewhere in my quest to be a great film-maker. What do you think? What is your observation of film schools look like to you? Is it worth it? I’m committing to a $20 – $30K investment here. What does my future look like to you?
- Steve Carson – Oshawa – (February 14, 2012)
Hi Steve – this is a good one, thank you. What I can say is that certain schools inspire it’s students (give more) and others bore (take more). There’s a different personality profile at each school, and it’s really obvious from my perspective, when I talk to a student – where they’re at. I’m at a point now where I can communicate with a few students at a given school and pretty much get where the school is at within a few minutes. Certain types of students are attracted to certain types of schools. The better schools attract a better quality of student and that rubs off on the whole experience. The lower end schools show themselves with elevated flash and hype, and tend to attract the more complacent students (those looking for a quick-fix – easy way through and out), and this is rampant in media arts education. In such schools, maybe 1 in 10 have genuine talent, desire and are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to succeed – some are drifters and many of the others remaining are already big players coming in – distorted egos – having delusions of grandeur, but having neither the talent or the desire to do what it takes to make it work. The term “paying your dues” isn’t even in their vocabulary. Shallow expectations and little respect for the history of their future industry lead them astray, which is why they typically drift into oblivion after they graduate or in most cases drop out before they finish their program. I’d like to think Steve, that you are in the former category. My best advice in this case is to stick to Ryerson or York University. Private sector run film schools for the most part are more about the money and less about the education. Good Luck!
NEW LINK IN THE BLOGROLL: Other Media Arts Schools in Ontario – schools not reviewed in the blog.
-Jim Lamarche – (February 17, 2012)
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Greetings Jim, I really like your blog on Media Arts and am tossing around a few ideas for September 2012, needing to decide really soon. I’m curious to know why there’s no report on Humber College and their “Film and Television Production” Program or York University’s BFA in Film Production in your report. I would think that they would be important programs to review, since they are basically media arts education programs here in Canada that are quite popular. Do you have any thoughts on these schools?
- Jonathan Price – Whitby – (January 24, 2012)
Hi Jonathan, thank you for your message. I visited Humber College about 15 years ago and had a quick look at their humble facilities in Film and Television there. I went with a younger friend who asked me to come along because he was interested in registering and never did. We were there for about an hour and I found the whole experience rather dry and dull. There are a number of community college – media arts programs not listed in my report, largely because I really don’t know enough about them to commit to a report in the blog and because fundamentally, I don’t think there’s much to write about. For example, Fanshawe College has a “Broadcast/Television” program as well and I got to know some of the students and teachers there when I was in Music Industry Arts, in the late 70′s. My gut feeling is that a community college diploma in media arts/studies, is really a shot in the dark – again, long – slow and lacking in any real punch. If you are seriously considering doing public education in media arts, I would recommend Ryerson Universitys RTA – Radio Television Arts program (review above) – over anything like Humber, Fanshawe or any number of other community college program/courses offering what comes across as watered down versions of the same thing. I’m thinking that if Ryerson is yesterdays news, then the community college versions are last years news. As for York University’s Film Program – I’ve heard some good things and it is a university “degree” (Bachelor of Fine Arts). I also really like their “bridging” option with Sheridan Colleges Media Arts Program and the 3 month field placement they do with final term students – a great combination (see report above). I just can’t get my head around committing 4 – 5 years to any education in Media Arts. That being said, if you’re young and have lots of time and can live cheaply while going to school, it could work well. I’ve just added a link to York University’s Film program in the blog-roll (upper right).
- Jim Lamarche – (January 28, 2012)
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Hello Jim, Firstly, I’d like to thank you for the time you’ve taken to put this blog together. I’ve read it carefully and I’m a bit confused around your thoughts on Metalworks Institute. I’m not sure what to think after reading your review which is both positive and negative. Could you clarify? I live in Oakville and I’ve heard good things about that school (from friends) which would be easy for me to get to.
- Derek Roberts – Oakville (December 19, 2011)
Hi Derek – sure. I think Metalworks Institute is a good school overall. I was there for almost 2 years in 2007 – 2008 and I was impressed with the whole operation. I just had a problem with their “attitude”. They come across like they are way more important than they really are, and that rubbed me the wrong way back then. OK, that was 3 years ago – maybe MWI has changed (but not likely because the same people – running the show – are still there). I saw it in the academic direction, administration and many of the instructors I met there. A school is a lot like our parents. It’s often in their attitude that dictates our altitude. This industry is already swamped with people who have egos that are way bigger than their talent, and I feel that the underlying message (esp in a school), can all too easily give a false impression about what’s really going on (misguidance). The word “delusional” comes to mind. Yeah, Metalworks is a big deal. what-ever! If you look at the best schools anywhere in the world, you will notice (for the most part), an absence of ego and an agenda that is free from attitude. Go – do it, you will learn a lot! Metalworks Institute is a really good school! just don’t get too caught up in the pomp and the pretension – it’s unproductive and only hurts more than it helps.
- Jim Lamarche – (December 22, 2011)
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Hello Jim, I’ve been thinking about attending one of the schools in your report (next year) having shopped carefully and visiting some of them. I’m a guitar player/songwriter in a band and wanting to take my career to the next step. My dad found this blog and sent it to me recently and now I’m wondering if I should even bother trying to pursue my dream. Your outlook is bleak and I’m rethinking this whole thing through again. I’m now thinking i might do what my parents wanted me to do in the first place, go to university and get my BSc. degree. I’m lost now and unsure of what to do. What do you think?
- Mark O’Connor – Toronto (December 02, 2011)
Hi Mark – i get this sometimes – “your blog is too negative – paints a dark picture”. the way i look at it, is if someone is reading this and is turned off from pursuing their “dream”?? then they were never meant to do it in the first place. 9/10 registrants in media arts schools come in, having no idea what they’re getting into, nor possessing the passion and ambition required to make it work. “crisis, what crisis? sacrifices? what sacrifices”. i mean come on – if a 20 minute read in a frikkin blog on the internet, changes your mind – should you even “bother”?? then, it was a bad idea to begin with and i’ve just saved you from having an enormous head-ache (and a $20,000 debt) later on. this is an “all or nothing” commitment. i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again … “if the worlds next joni mitchell or trent reznor or quentin tarantino is out there reading this right now? then it won’t matter what jim lamarche or ANYONE has to say about anything. mark, if you were really meant to do this, then you won’t let anyone stand in your way.
- Jim Lamarche – (December 03, 2011)
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Hi Jim, I am an international student planning to come to Canada next year. I’m writing to you, to ask what you think I should do around my education as I am getting close to having to decide. I am not interested in Media Arts really but more interested in doing a diploma program as a Pharmacy Technician, with the idea that I might bridge into University later and becoming a Pharmacist. I’m hoping you can help me regardless. Should I take my education at a Community College or at a PCC – Private Career College – not knowing how the system is in Canada. I understand that there are advantages and disadvantages to both but I am not sure which way to go. What do you think?
- Prinoo Meeha – Abjula Nigeria (November 17, 2011)
Thank you Prinoo – this is a good question and I can put it quite simply. Public education here (community colleges and universities) is a “luke-warm” experience. This means that they are consistently good (but rarely great) and are much better for bridging into higher education later. With PCC’s – Private Career Colleges, the temperature is “hot” or “cold”, meaning that schools are either really good or really bad (for the most part). The good PCC’s are a minority (in the less than 10% category). Most PCC’s in Canada are bad. The MTCU – Ministry of Training Colleges and Universities , realize that the government can’t support the mass population’s education requirements, so they licence “registered” colleges (fast-food education), and there are some basic guidelines which they must follow, but because they are “private-sector” business operations, they often operate in the shadows and all too often – provide less than acceptable quality, breaking the rules often (and getting away with it) as they are at a distance from a system that doesn’t (can’t) monitor them closely enough. In short Prinoo, I think you are better doing your program in a Community College and then bridging into University here later. For more information, have a look at my blog entry “The Learning Curve – an Observation in Modern Education” (link in the blog-roll – right – or scroll down).
- Jim Lamarche – (November 18, 2011)
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Hello Jim, In researching the school that I want to attend next year, I came across your blog which i found very informative. I live in Guelph Ontario and I’m 17 just finishing high-school here. I love my Mac computer and my passion is around assembling A/V w/music clips w/sound and posting them on you-tube. I am also a keyboardist and composer. I would eventually like to edit and possibly direct digital video clips, TV and even films and doing my own music too. I was looking at Music Industry Arts in London (Fanshawe College) and was seriously considering starting with their undergraduate General Arts and Sciences program and was planning to register for that in London in January for next September – then I read your blog and I’m questioning if that’s such a good idea. I’m now looking at the Media Arts Program at Sheridan College in Oakville, having visited that Community College and I really like it. I see nothing in your blog around Sheridans Media Arts Program. Is there any reason for that? I would be very curious to know what you think about my possibly moving in that direction.
- Shaun Parsons – Guelph ON – (October 24, 2011)
Hi Shaun, Sheridans Media Arts Program is now included in my report (above). thank you for your question and the poke to do something here. Sheridan has been on my mind for a while, having met some graduates in the field who are working in broadcast now. please read the report and email me if you have any questions. in short, i would have to say that you are making a much better decision/choice by attending MAP in Oakville over MIA in London. good-luck!
- Jim Lamarche – (October 25, 2011)
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Hello Jim, I stumbled onto your article about media arts schools in Canada. I saw your grading of each individual schools, and why. I had dropped out of high school due to unforeseen issues. I am currently in the process of getting my equivalency. During my high school years, I made some choices that most wouldn’t. Although I do not regret these, no in fact if I had the chance I’d do it all again, I would. I have been giving it a lot of thought lately as to where and what I want to do. I see your recommendations, but I would like a more personal recommendation if possible. At some point in my future I want to start my own studio, and record label. I do not have my head in the clouds, I understand the workload of any of these schools will thin the herd quite nicely. I am not interested in ‘making it big’ like many who choose this path. I cringe at the thought of doing anything else in my life that doesn’t involve music in some way shape or form. Specifically recording artists, the creativity behind it and the long hours of work that is required. I have experience recording my own music, and producing it with sub-par equipment and programs in my own ‘home’ studio. I’ve been looking at OIART more so than others, because I feel that it would be the best choice. I also would like input from someone with experience and knowledge that I do not have, or have not obtained in my life. My study/work habits have been impeccable since I ‘smartened up’ as some may call it. The question I have is what school would you personally suggest for me? If it is OIART, why?
- Caden Hudson – Trenton ON – (October 26, 2011)
Hi Caden, thanks for your email – whenever i hear someone say to me, that they want to start their own studio and record label, i cringe – especially if they’re from a small town. maybe why i cringe – is that in the 24 years that i’ve taught media arts education – i’ve heard thousands of young people say that to me, AND – i’ve never seen it work! not one time. ok, some grads build a small hobby studio in their basements – with a mac computer and garage band software or a pro-tools box while working in construction or at their father in laws drain and plumbing business or selling TV’s at future-shop – oh and their wives work too – to survive – recording local bands on the week-end (who have no money) who want to be the next “Coldplay”. some even have fancy business cards and do up professional looking web-sites that “look” like they’re doing something real and important – pretending. ah the dream lingers on. please do forgive my apprehension – but i’m never convinced BECAUSE i’ve never seen it work. i have very little to go on here other than what comes across as the face value of a lotto ticket to advise you with (which numbers should i choose)? Caden … there is nothing more that i would love to see – than for you to go to a school that feels right to you AND then – start your own studio / record company and then – go on to become very successful (making your living in a music career), if just for one reason; so that i don’t have to keep addressing this in my blog, and can finally say – YES – it can be done – look at THIS! – before sending the person a link to your website and your many accomplishments. i would LOVE that!! for now, you need to do your own research and ask some serious questions before spending $30,000 at OIART or any school for that matter. i’m really sorry that i can’t be more optimistic here. think of it this way – this is an opportunity to prove to me and everyone else, that operating a successful studio/music label business in Trenton Ontario IS possible. i welcome that. good luck!
- Jim Lamarche – (October 26, 2011)
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Hi Jim! I wanted to email you to thank you for your insights in the blog. I’m now considering an education in media arts and appreciate your words thinking that the RTA program at Ryerson University is the way to go now but I’m also hearing some good things about the new Toronto Film School – just around the corner . Just out of curiosity, where do you see media arts education going in the future? What will “separate the men from the boys” and what will schools need to do to prosper in the future? This is a big investment and I want to be part of something that is meaningful and has potential. What does the future in media arts look like to you?
- Jason Mitchell – Toronto – (October 01, 2011)
Hi Jason – thank you and yes, this is an excellent question. I believe that schools need to get more creative. a fundamental need to survive. it is in the fostering of creative talent – manifest in creative audio-visual magic that will ultimately separate the “men from the boys” as you put it. most media arts schools are preoccupied with a “short term gain – long term pain” marketing strategy that is careless and non productive – get them in – get their money and get them OUT! NEXT. what i experienced working at these schools for 24 years, is that student/participants who had genuine creative talent, were fundamentally ignored. teachers and staff were often jealous and sometimes even intimidated seeing a student who had real potential. ok, give them some studio time to play around with their ideas but that’s all – no real support. successful media arts schools of the future will need to foster their new horizons in acknowledging and mentoring new artistic creations that propel the participants (and the schools) future in really cool projects that make a statement. audio visual “masterpieces” up in you-tube for example, in alignment with a new vision with the right support and in the proper placement in the market designed to move people emotionally, then publicized properly will take that given institution into a whole new level. the next generation of gifted artisans developing in fertile soil, projected into a new awareness will elevate the next generation of meaningful media arts institutions in caring benevolence. when something takes off, that was given birth in a particular school? that’s when the show ultimately begins. the publicity in the birth of the next trent reznor or quentin tarantino is golden. schools don’t get that yet – it’s all in the inspiration followed by a good plan guided by a mindful presence. what does the future in media arts look like to me? well it might look a little like this … ok, the people who made this? were once students themselves.
- Jim Lamarche – (October 02, 2011)
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Hello Jim, I read your blog recently, as I am interested in going to an audio production school. I am coming from a different background (accounting) however, so I am well aware breaking into an audio related field will not be a cakewalk. I am interested in becoming about sound designer (for film/video-games) primarily, and becoming a music producer secondarily. The reason for this is because I believe it is more practical to focus on a career that is (hopefully) somewhat steady. The two schools I am looking are your two top rated schools: OIART and Harris Institute. My question regarding these schools is do they focus mainly on the musical aspect of the audio? If I want to become a sound designer, would they be a good choice? Or are there better options? Also in regards to these two schools, do any of them ( I’m thinking maybe Harris) waste too much time on theory and impractical courses such as “history of music industry” and things like that.
- Joe Scandella – Montreal (September 21, 2011)
Hi Joe – I think both schools are great. you have to take a good look at the curricula and ask some serious questions. Harris is almost half the cost of OIART and it’s in Toronto. there’s going to be “history” style courses at any school you go to, and yes, some are going to be a waste of time for the most part – it comes in any academic landscape and in every school. just think about the school that feels right to you before deciding.
- Jim Lamarche (September 22, 2011)
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Hello Jim – I’d like to thank you for your blog and for the advice you have for anyone wanting to know more about media arts education. I spent many years researching a school to attend and learned more about the big picture in 20 minutes reading your Report, than in 2 years of scattered bits and pieces found elsewhere. I am a graduate of one of the schools you write about, and I just wish that the information in your blog had been available in 2007 when I enrolled. After graduating, I interned (for free) at 2 music recording studios for about a year and now work as a projectionist at an AMC theatre. My question to you is this – Where do you see the Media Arts Education Industry going in the next 5 years? Do you think that your words will make a difference to the Media Arts Education landscape? Do you think you’re making any difference?
- Shaun Parker – Thornhill – (July 04, 2011)
Thank you Shaun – honestly I’m not sure what kind of impact i’m making, other than the thank-you emails i get from time to time. lots of people read my blog (300 – 400 per week) and i think (wishful thinking) that i’ve helped dozens, maybe a hundred or two hundred people in their decision making around the best direction to go in or even if they should do media arts education at all. i’ve had many who were seriously considering going to one of these schools and opted out after taking in my words, attending an alternate college program or going to university instead. for me, that makes it all worth while. as for the future – in 5 years? i don’t think much will change. i suspect that at least 1 or 2 of the schools in this report will no longer be in business but the other 6 or 7 will still be around, and maybe 1 or 2 new ones. some schools now, like Fanshawe College for example (Music Industry Arts) are well protected by a community college system that thrives on the hundreds of locals mostly, who apply and the college only takes in a fraction who want in still packing in 100 – 120 students every september. also most future students (especially in London), don’t really research their futures first – gravitating to this “amazing” course in the college system that’s flashy and looks cool. to those who do take the time to look carefully, here i am for them. perhaps they are the one’s worth saving the most.
- Jim Lamarche – (July 05, 2011)
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Thank you Jim – for your blog. After reading it, along with other peoples opinions, I have narrowed my choices down to Metalworks and Harris Institute. For Metalworks, I’m considering doing the 2 year Professional Sound program and for Harris, I’m thinking about doing the 1 year Audio Production program. With Metalworks, I feel like 2 years might be better because I’ll have more time to build up a portfolio for future employers, and also the fact that they spend almost a year on live sound, which is something I might be interested in. Do you have any insights into the 2 year Metalworks program or is the 1 year audio production program still better? At Harris, the atmosphere feels more conducive and appropriate for learning music, but I’m not sure if their studio equipment is as up to date as Metalworks and if this should affect my decision at all? Also, I don’t know if composition is something I’d want to get into, but would a bachelor of music, or a bachelor degree from Ryerson, Humber or Fanshawe be more suited to someone who wants to score music for film or television? If you could help me out, I’d appreciate it so much. I’m pretty confused right now.
- Mark Taylor – Toronto – (June 06, 2011)
- Jim Lamarche (June 05, 2011)
Hello Jim, I’d like to thank you for taking the time and effort to put this out there. I have read your blog very carefully and after visiting a few of the schools in the report (talking to them, with the intention of pursuing a career in audio/media/music), I am left with an empty feeling. Correct me if i’m wrong … but it feels like most of these schools are run by people who couldn’t make their music careers work in the real world, OR if they were successful it was only for a short time and it’s over – so they created a safety net for themselves, a false spectacle … where as you say “the producers of the show” are the only ones who benefit … a facade. I am extremely passionate about my future in media arts but won’t subscribe to a lie to get there. Your insightful words are most appreciated.
- Lindsey Strachan – Toronto – (May 12, 2011)
Hi Lindsey - an astute observation. i would have to say that yes, for the most part – Media Arts Education in Canada is hosted by those who are struggling to survive (or just wish to benefit from others ignorance). most have embraced an idea (out of necessity) that has evolved into an agenda that seriously with-holds the truth from those who inquire/register - in exchange for money/profit. I would say that 80% of the Media Arts Education Industry fits into this category. That being said, there are those schools (very top of the list in my report), who carry themselves with integrity and have a legitimate history – created and administered by those who have achieved elevated long-term success in the industry and simply wish to carry their good-will forward to the next generation. I would say that 20% fit into that category. OK. The familiar expression … “flying with the eagles” comes to mind. good luck!
- Jim Lamarche – (May 13, 2011)
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Hi Jim, I e-mailed you last summer to ask for advice regarding audio schools. In the end (due in part to your advice) I decided to go to OIART, and I couldn’t be more happy. From the professors to the facilities everything is top notch. Thank you again for all of your advice, the past few months spent here have been some of the best of my life. I hope things remain well with you.
Kristian Montano – London – (April 13, 2011)
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Hey Jim!
This year, I applied to Fanshawe – Music Industry Arts – and was accepted. I had only heard good things until I came across your report. If you can imagine, it frazzled me quite a bit. It would be helpful if you could elaborate on the education itself. How is it? Why is it ‘a total waste of time’? Is there anything that could be done on my part that would enhance the experience? Is the bureaucracy on the part of the school or the professors? In what way is it ‘out of touch’ with the reality of the industry?
Hi Eddie – thank you for your questions. Music Industry Arts (Fanshawe College) – London Ontario, is a sad story – i spent 3 years of my early life there when i was just a kid and it was a transformation in quantum development for everyone there. there are no words to describe how such a positive, creatively fertile learning environment could inspire it’s students so much. i struggled but eventually found employment as a recording engineer in large format toronto studios and got signed as an artist/producer to A&M/UMG releasing 2 albums on that major label. now – where is MIA – Missing In Action – waste of time? well – perhaps i’m stretching it a bit there but i believe i referred to most who go now – are wasting their time. there are some (few), going into any educational institution – who become successful mostly because of their personal ambition/drive and focus regardless of the school. the school gets lucky just to have them in the first place. it is however, in the nature of the Canadian community college system, and particularly at Fanshawe, that has created an enormous black hole in it’s ability to make any real difference. It is so unfortunate – especially now, that this system is mostly conducive to myopic self interest and overwhelming complacency. The worst part is that it’s an attitude that spreads like a virus to almost everyone who goes there – even faculty. 90% of the students are young and live with their parents in small ultra-conservative communities in south-western ontario. there isn’t a whole lot of “thinking out of the box” going on there. in short, it’s an attitude that’s not about – how far can i go? – but more about … “how far do i basically need to go – to get through this – (minimum requirement)”? need to know – this is the fall-out of a unionized government run bureaucracy. attitudes in private colleges (in ontario) are very different, particularly when it comes to media arts education – more in sync with the real world – attitude is the soil in which healthy seeds are planted and ultimately determines the final outcome. good luck!
- Jim Lamarche – (April 06, 2011)
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Hi Jim,
I would like to say thank you for writing your blog about the Audio Engineering schools here Canada. It was very helpful and informative. I have a friend who is a recent graduate of Harris Institute. He recommended this school to me and is a Live Sound Engineer at Frequency nightclub here in Toronto and currently working on his own label. However, I have another friend who attended The Audio Recording Academy (TARA) and recommended this school. He does the recording and mastering for his band and for other people as well. Do you have any input about TARA? I know that if I do attend one of these schools it doesn’t automatically mean that I will get a job in the field right away. However, I am in sort of a dilemma because I have toured both of the schools and liked them. I can’t seem to pick which would the best for me. Which school has the best reputation? Which school has more studio time for their students? Which school would you recommend? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank for your time.
Gwen M. – toronto – (April 03, 2011)
Hi Gwen, thank you for your inquiry.
it comes down to what you want really. Harris Institute has diploma programs and is registered with the MTCU so it has more credibility from an “industry” perspective. TARA from what i understand has shorter “certificate” style courses which don’t pack much punch if you’re trying to integrate later. the “powers that be”, prefer to hire someone with a diploma from a registered college. that being said, i do believe that there are likely many satisfied grads from TARA who liked what they did there and both schools provide lots of studio time to practice what you’ve learned. I’d suggest you let your friends at both schools take you in for a good look at what’s going on inside each school, talk to some other students there during a break and size it all up for yourself. weigh out the options in terms of cost and commitment then decide. i think most colleges do “sit ins” - it’s a vital part of any schools marketing strategy. i’m sure after doing what i’ve suggested here, that you will make the right choice. all the best!
jim lamarche – (April 04, 2011)
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Hi there JIM!
I have a question that I’m really needing your input on – and that’s around access to studio facilities at these schools during down-time. I’m realizing that this is of critical importance. Most schools have great gear – large format – studios right? Can students book time in these studios to work on their own projects – is 24/7 access something that happens? How does that work? Without being able to practice what we’ve learned in the labs/classes etc on our own time, I don’t see much point in enrolling. In the few schools I’ve visited, I never get clear answers around this – why not? For me it would only make sense that for the kind of money we’re putting out, that there would be lots of access to studio facilities to flesh out our ideas and hone our skills during our own time. What’s the scoop? I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this.
- Ben Carroll – Toronto – (March 17, 2011)
Hi Ben – yes very good question and i can shed some light on this. when i went to Fanshawe (MIA) in the late 70′s we had access (24/7) to the studios and i spent thousands of hours in the main studio over the 3 years i was there, working on my own as well as contributing to others on their projects. In my final year there i almost lived IN the studio at school. i was lucky as this is something you really don’t see anymore. most schools all too often have very limited access to studio time outside of workshops/labs and the environments are tightly controlled. final term students get to work on a “project” or two in a designated group (with an outside band) and studio time is carefully rationed into short blocks during the schools operational hours, which dilutes the essence and partitions the experience into that which lacks depth and dimension. it’s really not the same as being able to pull all-nighters exploring the potential with maybe one or two other students, playing our own instruments/manipulating the electronics whilst – 2 or 3 times a week, because of better accessibility – 12 hour sessions over and over again – that’s when the magic ultimately happens yes. my suggestion would be to insist on a clear answer. even better? talk to a student/graduate who knows first hand. i can see recruiters embellishing this one out of context and getting away with it. yes Ben, i would agree that schools who charge these kinds of fees should allow access to their facilities 24/7 and that there should be lots of studio time for students to develop their craft. this was clearly the highlight of my education as a student in media arts. If there are any student/graduates OR schools out there reading this and would like to contribute to this discussion – i welcome that.
- Jim Lamarche – (March 17, 2011)
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Hello Jim,
I was wondering if you could give me some advice on something! I’ve recently decided that I’d like to devote the next year or two solely to the development of my music-related skills. I guess that goal will manifest itself in a variety of different ways, but all for the purpose of becoming a more versatile and skilled musician. So, I definitely want to go to school, either part time or full time. And one option that I’ve been looking in to is sound and audio production. Since I know that’s your thing I thought you would be the right person to ask ! I’m really interested in learning the ins & outs of studio production, MIDI stuff and ProTools and similar programs. However, I think I’m more interested in how I can use this practical knowledge to achieve my goals (which are far more creative – composition mainly).
So my questions are:
1. Would you recommend full time programs in sound and recording to me based on what I want to achieve?
2. Do you have any recommendations on schools that might suit me? I toured Trebas and RAC last week, and am going to iSTARS and MetalWorks this week. I didn’t like Trebas, but I got a really good vibe off of RAC (I thought their facilities were beautiful). Anyways … I would really appreciate any advice you have on any of this! Hope life is treating you well 
Tamara Saringer – Toronto – Facebook message (March 14, 2011)
Hi Tamara – yes you’ve found the right person to ask around this. stay away from iSTARS! I’d like to suggest Harris Institute as it’s in the same price range as RAC but much better. Metalworks is good too but quite a bit more expensive. watch out for the “wow factor” … good schools are about a lot more than how they look going in – delusion and deception come with the territory – pay close attention to the sales pitch and how it feeds your ego – shop carefully – real success comes from a place of grounded maturity and a realistic goal. let me know if you have other questions after reading my entire blog.
Jim Lamarche – (March 15, 2011)
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Hi Jim
I am considering taking a year off university to see if there’s something other than physics, that I’d like to be doing and one of those things is music. Now I’ve looked into schools like Metalworks Institute, and they don’t seem much better then those scam career colleges such as Everest or trioS to me. While reading your blog has eliminated this perception somewhat, I’m still skeptical they’d be worth my time or money. While some of them may offer a good education in the field, your blog also re-enforced my perception that music is not a field that takes certificates seriously. If I wanted to find work in the music world, is there a better way to go about it then paying 15,000 dollars and (I would hope) two years of hard work for a basically useless peice of paper? On a related note, since you’re clearly an industry insider who would probably know this I was also wondering how tough it is to find work as a studio drummer? I have experience with a kit and in a university level drumline.
Brian Gilmour – unknown location – (March 08, 2011)
Thanks Brian – yeah you can’t compare Metalworks Institute to Everest or trioS – at Metalworks, you’ll be treated like a human being and not a “bar-code”. Schools like Everest and trioS are large american franchises that are fundamentally evil – the term “bottom-feeders” comes to mind. Metalworks is a one of a kind domestically owned operation that is in a whole different league and they attract a more dedicated “higher end” quality of student – it rubs off in a good way. that being said, there is something to be said for getting the right education in media arts – one that promotes awareness and insight as well as a diploma (stay away from “certificates”). i wouldn’t hesitate to recommend Metalworks Institute as a media arts school – particularly their audio production & engineering program. there are other good schools too. shop carefully to find the right fit even if it means going back several times to make sure. to answer your final question – studio drummers are basically extinct at this stage and the few (handful) who are successful in the GTA have been doing it for many years (mature participants), are burrowed into the broadcast industry and work predominantly doing advertising commercials (radio/television/corporate/internet). good luck!
Jim Lamarche – (March 08, 2011)
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Hi Jim,
First off I would like to say I’m a big fan of your blog as it has given me much insight regarding selecting a school. In the past few months I have changed career paths from Business Administration to a field that reflects my true passion, Audio Engineering. I have recently been accepted to OIART and am extremely thrilled about this opportunity. I have no real experience in a studio environment besides home recording with low-end equipment, and have been playing instruments (piano/guitar) informally for many years. I also have my certification in Apple’s Logic 101 course and have always had a combined love for computers and music. My understanding is that these schools/programs start everyone at a “ground zero” level, on the same playing field, in which case my lack of experience may not be an issue. I am willing to work hard and dedicate myself to learning, but would hate to take a great opportunity and not make the best of it. My main concern is that I don’t want to be at a disadvantage compared to others in the program.
My question to you is, would it be beneficial to defer my acceptance for 1 year, in order to gain more experience in the field (through volunteering/interning) as opposed to starting this September? Your recommendations and/or thoughts are greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you.
- Zack Tencer – unknown location – (March 03, 2011)
Hi Zack, thank you for your inquiry/question. Don’t wait. Sign up for September classes NOW! He who hesitates – masturbates.
- Jim Lamarche – (March 03, 2011)
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Hello Jim
Congratulations on your illuminated initiative – putting up a web page with so much information. I’m a Canadian citizen and I live in Brazil since birth. I graduated in 1995 in Electrical Engineering and I have been working with recording studios since then. In 2002 I’ve started mixing live shows, working as FOH and monitor engineer for independent artists and show venues all over São Paulo and other states in Brazil. From 2007 until the present days I also worked with permanent reinforcement projects, like sound dimensioning and its design and also work on the installation and configuration of the sound systems for studios, theaters, auditoriums, temples, etc. It’s a really multifaceted carreer, always working with wonderful people, absorbing Brazilian music and culture. But now I feel that it lacks in-depth learning to in order to move a little bit further in my career.
My family originally came from Quebéc and I have all my relatives living there, therefore, Quebec would be the most obvious choice to start again in Canada, but I saw your recommendations about Montreal choices in education and I got really disappointed about the schools in Quebec. Nevertheless, I found a minor in Electroacoustic Studies program in Concordia that looks like a good under graduation option. Also, there is the Sound Recording program at McGill, but it requires a bacc in Music, which I unfortunately don’t have. Do you have any idea how is the work market in Montreal? Is it very hard to find a job in recording, reinforcement projects and so on? What about Toronto? I would like also to work so I can pay for my studies. I have to make a decision about the school I will attend and this will reflect the Province where I will live. I’m not sure any more if I should go to Quebec (Montreal) or if I try any other province, like Ontario (Toronto), to resume my studies. Could you please give me any more information so I can better decide on my next steps ? Thank you already!
- Georges Grenier – Brazil (February 14, 2011)
Hello Georges, thank you for your message.
this is great – lots to go on here – great set-up. i’m really getting a strong feeling here. your wish to pursue an academic education on a university level in montreal is just that – academic. yes, it would be great to have an intrinsic understanding of electro/psycho-acoustics, (the number crunching – the algebra in relation to the algorithms) and to have some sort of university qualification (degree), but i’m questioning where that will take you. you’re obviously very passionate about your art and craft and need to fast-track your gift into something in your lifetime. this is why i would highly recommend Harris Institute in Toronto. one of the worlds greatest acoustician/studio builders Martin Pilchner is there (once a student of mine) and they have excellent connections with the industry around studio/theatre acoustic design and can take you to where you want to go faster. forget university – go to Harris – you’ll learn something sooner AND you’ll be able to USE it. you’ll thank me later.
PS have a look at my blog and my entry on public vs private education. it may be useful. in this case i think private is the way to go – oh and Toronto is a blast!
- Jim Lamarche – (February 15, 2011)
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Hi Jim. Thanks for your words here. I’ve read this carefully and totally appreciate your unique and qualified outlook. I am in Vancouver, a singer/songwriter and wanting to be in the music business. My hero is John Mayer and I’ve been told that my new, first album sounds just like him. I am contemplating going to Nimbus School of the Recording Arts. I’m just wondering if you can shed some light on this before I take the plunge. It’s a big investment but it’s the only good thing going on out here for music production. My parents are saying don’t do it, but are still willing to finance it if i choose it. I’m just wondering what it looks like from your perspective.
– David Pierce – Vancouver BC (February 03, 2011)
Hi David – thanks for your message. i really don’t know. i’ve looked at their web presence carefully. Nimbus 9 was a studio in Yorkville, Toronto during the 70′s/80′s where some of the best canadian talent recorded – including “the Guess Who”, “Rush” and “Peter Gabriel” (UK – his first solo album), fronted by producer Jack Richardson who rose to fame followed by his son Garth Richardson who went on to do some very cool stuff later on (Rage Against the Machine – his best work – Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Melvins) . we’re talking “serious” credentials here! Garth coupled with world renowned pop/rock producer Bob Ezrin (Pink Floyd, Alice Cooper, Kiss, and even Peter Gabriel – at Nimbus 9 back in 1982) to form this school, in the twilight of their careers in Vancouver just a few years ago. ok – now the down-side which is most unfortunate … mucho name dropping (albeit justified but tacky), fish eye lens photographs of recording consoles and a real “rock school” feel that feeds the fantasy. yes, these were great players in their day – but we’re in a whole new millenium, and some people still need to work and make money (even world class record producers so it would appear). Nimbus comes across a bit like Metalworks Institute in Mississauga with their massive pictures of Bowie, Tina Turner and Prince in their front lounge – yes you too can be larger than life! (payment plans available – conditions apply). i’d bet dollars to donuts – that there are platinum trophies on the wall there at Nimbus – in the hallway just outside the studio (like at Metalworks) and that there is a carefully constructed “game plan” (agenda) designed to profit from days gone by … (yesterdays fame, fortune and glory) – just an “educated” guess – it’s just a tad pretentious from this angle. i don’t know. maybe it’s really good. if you go, please let me know what your experience is/was. i’m curious. If any readers are there or have graduated, let us know what you thought of it and what you’re doing now. i would love to see and hear from graduates who are doing well after attending Nimbus – doing very cool stuff and surviving financially because of it (tall order). oh, and sounding “just like” someone else? has it’s limitations … but hey – you could just be the NEXT John Mayer – find your own voice – and your chances for success will be much greater. becoming the next “big thing” is all just part of the master plan – a profitable deception/delusion – at your expense. all the best!
- Jim Lamarche (February 05, 2011)
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Greetings Jim! I am a recent high school graduate who is interested in pursuing a career in media arts. I’m a keyboard player / synth mac computer junkie and love sound wanting to become a sound designer and composer for film. I have a question. I see in your bio that you’ve done quite a bit of this and have taught at Ryerson in their RTA program. Why is there nothing here about Ryerson? What was that like? What is your impression of Ryerson’s Radio Television Arts program? I am very curious. It’s media arts too isn’t it? Right now, I’m torn between going to a private school and university which my parents prefer. What do you think? Any advice is welcomed here.
- Jake Crombie – Rosedale, Toronto – (January 26, 2011)
Hi Jake – thanks for the nudge – ok it’s time – i have a new addition to this report on Ryerson and their RTA program. i’ve had a few other emails asking about this program too, so here it goes – enjoy. yes it’s media arts education too and is important.
- Jim Lamarche (January 27, 2011)
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Hi Jim, I just read your blog about the various media arts schools out there. I am currently looking at the top three schools. You said a lot about what the schools’ blue sky promises. My question is what job prospects can i reasonably expect after i graduate? Are there jobs in audio production & engineering? I’m sure it’s competitive out there as are a lot of jobs but surely some graduates are working in the industry somewhere?
all i can say is that if you take one of these programs expecting “a job” (in the industry) after, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. the biggest misconception in media arts education, is that opportunities “come” (make themselves available) to graduates who finish these courses (like they do in many other professions), when in fact graduates must make (create) their own opportunities creatively with entrepreneurial spirit, ambition and desire. most who go to these schools expect too much after and thus drift into oblivion after it’s over (unwilling to make that kind of commitment) – defaulting to a menial job and now with a big student loan to pay. best of luck.
- Jim Lamarche - (December 29, 2010)
Hello Jim – Thank you for your words of wisdom in your education blog. This is a bit off topic, but I’m thinking that you may be able to provide some insight. My son is contemplating a future in Social Work and we’re torn between the private and the public school systems. What’s your take on this? What’s your preference in post-secondary education – private or public?
Sherman Dali – Toronto (October 04, 2010)
Thank you Sherman. Yes, i can shed some light on this. I think it’s very safe to say that for the most part, the public post-secondary education system (in Canada) has an elevated ethical platform in that they are “educators” more than in the “education business”. of course both are in the business of making money but there’s a fundamental difference in the intrinsic “value” of the service provided. There are some good Private Career Colleges out there but they are a very small minority. there is no doubt in my mind that your son should seriously entertain getting his MA or BA in Social Work (SW) on a university level if at all possible (4 years) – Social Service Work (SSW) at a community college level (2 years) is a second preference (becoming a member of OCSWSSW – Ontario College of Social Workers and Social Service Workers with either qualification) and as a last option, Community Service Work (CSW) at a Private Career College (less than a year) is a distant third. Good Luck –
- Jim Lamarche – (October 05, 2010)
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Dear Jim, I am an International Student very interested in doing Audio Engineering in Ontario Canada. I’m planning to take a student loan and enroll myself with Metal Works Institute. Could you please guide me in this? If you have other schools/suggestions, this would help. I am a lover of music and very keen to pursue my study in Sound Engineering.
- Albert David – Chennai India (September 22, 2010)
Namaste Albert – nice to meet a new friend from India – I spent 3 months up in the Punjab in late 2008 and I miss India dearly. as an International Student wishing to study in Canada you will need to apply for a Student Visa through Citizenship and Immigration Canada (www.cic.gc.ca) or work through the Canadian Consulate in India who will liaise with Canadian Immigration. your eligibility will evolve around a number of different factors. you’ll need a 6 band IELTS (english) qualification to start, then you’ll need to receive an acceptance letter from the college you wish to attend here. to get this you will probably have to pay a non-refundable registration deposit (around $500 CAD), and some private colleges charge a lot more (higher tuition) to international students because of their incoming status. you’ll also need to prove to CIC that you have enough money to pay for your tuition, living expenses, get a criminal record/police check, get a medical examination and satisfy your immigration officer that you will leave Canada when your studies are finished. Applying for your PR – “Permanent Residence” is doable while you’re here but that’s a whole other challenge on it’s own (very time consuming) – usually requiring a “sponsor” (employer) here who will vouch/take responsibility for you – having first generation family here helps in a big way. I am assuming that you have sufficient financing in place or else this is all a waste of time. As for the next step, you need to contact Metalworks Institute to get your acceptance letter, then contact Canadian Immigration to get the ball rolling (student visa application). it’s a very slow process and it could take you 8 months to a year to get your student visa (if you’re starting from the beginning). Metalworks has had International students before and will be able to help you. Good Luck!
- Jim Lamarche (September 22, 2010)
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Hey Jim! I was just reading your blog on Media Arts Education in Canada. I have been looking at various school’s in Canada and was somewhat stuck from all the various reviews one reads when trying to find a proper school with a good program. Your article really shed some light on some of my questions though! I was happy too see that Harris was one of the top schools on your list because I was considering that one more seriously than others. I do have a question about Harris though. Harris has a International Program and I was wondering whether you knew anything about that? If you do, could you give me some more detailed information about it? Is it part of the Audio Production Program or does it give you more (diploma/degree/honours wise) when you study internationally? Any information regarding the International Program in general would be greatly appreciated!!
- Adriana White – Brockville (September 10, 2010)
Hello Adriana – thank you for your message – i have taken the liberty of forwarding your question directly to John Harris as i have little real knowledge on how to clearly answer it myself – i have included his response below …
- Jim Lamarche (September 10, 2010)
Hi Jim and Adriana,
John Harris – Harris Institute Toronto – (September 10, 2010)
Hello Mr. Lamarche, First of all i would like to thank you for your honest appraisal of some of the audio recording schools in canada. It’s been very useful for me in getting an unbiased opinion on some of these schools. Currently i’m taking a year off of university in order to pay for my sudden career change decision. In my decision making process i’ve been narrowing down my choices to two categories: Toronto (RAC, Harris) and London (OIART, Fanshawe). My personal preference would be to do a 40 week program rather than Fanshawe’s two year program. My e-mail now is to get your opinion as to why OIART charges 30,000 for a 40 week program. I understand that you believe its probably the best school i could go to but it still baffles me as to how they justify charging up to twice as much as say RAC would charge for a program of similar length. Is it really worth that much? What factors are contributing to this high price? I appreciate, in advance, your time in answering this e-mail. Feel free to take your time in responding as i recognize this is a non-work related e-mail. regards,
- Sam Robinson – unknown location – (September 08, 2010)
hello Sam – thank you for your email message. you’ve got a legitimate question that isn’t exactly easy to answer. all i can say is that you’re going to get a much higher “quality” education experience at OIART – that’s a given. your query comes across a little like – why go to a movie theatre when you can rent the DVD? – maybe the reason it’s twice as much is because it’s twice as good.
- Jim Lamarche (September 08, 2010)
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Hello Mr. Lamarche,
hi Sam – thank you for your message. having a qualification in the entertainment business is great but doesn’t hold the same weight as it does in most other careers. i appreciate your desire to attend Harris and it’s a good choice for you. have you asked them about enrolling as a mature student? i know that most career colleges will accept those who can pass a basic entrance test and many are not “math” related. You seem to have a good handle on what’s going on and am confident that you will find the right path.
- Jim Lamarche (September 08, 2010)
hi Karl, sure – thank you for your email. Trebas started their 4 month long – DJ Arts program about 5 years ago shortly after i left. it was created because of the increasing amount of DJs coming in who wanted to be like their imported heros on the front lines of a massive global club circuit. many of them drifting and looking for something to latch onto, having come from a “spun out” GTA rave scene, spinning at local clubs - coming down to TO from their cement jungles/urban sprawl – to check it out (from brampton, scarborough, mississauga etc.) with high hopes, aspirations and dreaming of a glamorous life-style. DJ Arts was/is a “side-show” disaster like Trebas’s Film or Entertainment Business Management program was/is; an afterthought that made money … rake them in and spin them out. i think you get the point. i remember in my last few years at Trebas & IAOD esp. getting these guys in my class coming in 30 minutes late usually (totally unprepared and coming down from last nights euphoric recreation). todays topic on identifying and setting up microphones – showing zero interest - typical. The next week pissed, “i didn’t come here to learn this shit” after failing a simple microphone quiz – test in the trash – walking out – sometimes dropping = lost revenue, so Trebas set up a separate play pen for them. you could/can even get OSAP to do it. like getting weekly massages on OHIP or having your booze delivered on SA/OW – social assistance. now the DJ Arts program has been integrated at Trebas (Toronto) as a course or three in their Production/Engineering program, satisfying the demographic, hoping they will stay longer – fudging the grades if need be to keep them on board and still runs a stand alone DJ arts at their Montreal campus. a dedicated OSAP funded DJ Arts program is right up there with subsidized doggy day-care. it’s quite conceivable that the MTCU forced them to change it (ontario) or the numbers in Toronto didn’t/don’t support it - so what about the 4 years it was a solo program in Toronto? i have no idea. most probably returned to where they came from – doing the same thing. i don’t know of anyone from Trebas, who has made it as a DJ outside of the local circuit. if you find one? let me know. maybe this is a harsh criticism. i think not.
- Jim Lamarche (September 06, 2010)
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Hi Jim – Having read your report, I am somewhat disturbed and disillusioned by your review on the Music Industry Arts Program. I have already made plans to enroll at Fanshawe next year starting in their General Arts and Sciences program as an introduction before starting in MIA. I’ve visited the college and this is something I’ve been planning for some time. I am now seriously questioning if i should even bother after reading your blog. Could you elaborate a bit on what’s so different now – from that time that you attended? It’s the same school and the same program, I just don’t understand how it could change as much as you’re saying it has.
– Jeremy Stevenson – London Ontario (September 02, 2010)
Hi Jeremy, thank you for your email message. perhaps i should give you a short history of this program at Fanshawe College. MIA was originally “Creative Electronics”, a fringe movement started by Tom Lodge in 1970 with 3 teachers and about 12 students. Tom was a maverick british DJ who was part of the “Radio Caroline” pirate radio network (co-founder) – shuttling quietly to Canada in 1968 after the BBC/port authority confiscated their vessels and contemplated legal action. Radio Caroline actually launched the British Invasion by broadcasting “rock and roll” from small ships illegally in international waters just off the coast of the UK, then the stoic BBC carried the format forward after they were grounded – the REAL “pirates” being the broadcasting “establishment”. fascinating story. google “Radio Caroline” and you can read all about it. Tom was/is John Lodges brother – the mastermind behind the british progressive rock band “the Moody Blues” and an important musical force that was part of the british invasion in the 60′s. it was Toms rebellious support that exposed the Beatles, Stones, the Who … Moody Blues, Pink Floyd and now groups like Coldplay, Radiohead and icelands Sigur Ros to the world (not to mention hundreds of others). he/they changed music history by taking a stand and challenging authority whilst satisfying the growing thirst of millions of young teenage music lovers (boomers) in england at the time. on the front-lines of a massive shift in our consciousness. you won’t get this in any MIA music class – staff there now know little about this, nor do they really care about it. that being said, it’s important.
landing in London Ontario, Tom managed to convince the powers that be at Fanshawe College at the time, that an experimental sound/media/recording arts program would plant the seeds for the next generation of music entrepreneurs who would eventually graduate and form an alliance thus generating a formidable force on our domestic music industry. a great idea! it worked initially. I later found out that everyone who was auditioned was put on the waiting list and that Tom and his motley crew simply waited for those to come out of the wood-work and almost beg to get in (what i did), rising to the occasion. What promoted those from the waiting list (hundreds) to the acceptance list (40) in 1974, were those who came forward and made the effort to sell themselves personally to them after the fact. it was an eccentric experiment and every student was uniquely brilliant musically, and yet all of us coming from completely different backgrounds and parts of the world. I felt like an outcast the first year i was there. I had nothing in terms of talent compared to these people that i was surrounded by. It was 3 academic years then and i was there during it’s most glorious evolution. We did 2 hour classes in rooms with no light, listening to whale sounds, studying contemporary composers from John Cage to Walter Carlos, listening to everything on imported vinyl on crystal-clean audio-file systems, exploring quadraphonic psycho-acoustic art and science in a music and sound re-invention. the primary emphasis was on sound, music and media philosophy – electronics, art and film history as secondary electives.
Toms class was one of my favourites in the D1060 lecture hall. reading was literary studies from Carl Jung to Marshall McLuhan – Ayn Rand to George Orwell. cinematic studies explored Stanley Kubric and Roman Polanski to LAs George Romero and Alfred Hitchcock. the world was our oyster. music with pictures moved me so much then. We did blind-fold weekends out in the country and experimented with moog synthesizers in our humble 8 track recording studio in a dark corner of the college – a fringe lifestyle that brought about many new awakenings. We were considered the strange ones who lived on the “dark side of the moon” and yes we “inhaled” (students and teachers). it was almost communal living in a strange setting – not what anyone would expect in a community college in London Ontario. in my final year there, I often slept at the college up in the studio’s isolation room in the many “all night” sessions for a few hours before our 9 am class the next day – slightly “out of it”. Unlike all the other programs at Fanshawe; we as students, became close friends with our teacher/mentors, almost like family. The resulting combination of talents working together became a stunning body of work, the best of released on a vinyl recording every year. i was there from 1974 – 1977. what i was exposed to changed my life in a profound way. I would never have been signed to A&M/UMG nor had the opportunity to work at the CBC/toronto – this blog wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for Tom Lodge or Paul Steenhuis who left MIA to start OIART – not unlike John Harris leaving Trebas to start Harris Institute. we bonded totally which made my time there a real thrill, an unforgettable music/sound journey.
Tom Lodge was fired in 1977, the year i finished/graduated, due to his questionable ethics, insubordination and in his overall inability to “conform” to the daunting politics of the ontario community college system and Creative Electronics became Music Industry Arts. over the following years, the original spirit of the Creative Electronics program was replaced by a more formal academic mandate – rooted in false authority, which has continued to grow and change in terms of money, equipment and enrollment, and the original spark has shifted into a dull predictable posturing which conforms to a more stringent academic curricula/formula and the minimal creative participation comes in the form of exercises which are assessed/graded for each student working towards their graduation. enrollment is at an all time high and creativity at an all time low now. yes, an exercise in futility. a full time teacher who i know there (just retired), privately confessed that after a full academic year with his 2nd year students, that he didn’t know half of their names. a lost connection. nobody really cares anymore. sad. it’s like most who started reading this blog won’t get this far. a disposable world. so much easier to pick up a “fillet-o-fish” sandwich from mcdonalds, then go home and actually make a real meal. the monets and rembrandt collections now reduced to “paint by numbers” where students strive for a pathetic 2.0 GPA and then maybe a job at the local tv or radio station – music or electronics store in south-western ontario (if they’re lucky) – playing in a band or DJing at the local pub on the week-ends. yesterdays news. ok, there are those who have gone further (swiss chalet or red lobster), but it’s a tiny fraction of graduates who have ever done anything. for many attending/enrolled, the highlight of their week is their friday afternoon floor hockey game in the college gym (skipping their guest lecture class for). yawn - out with the old and in with the new – next. it doesn’t work any more.
I’m sorry Jeremy if this potentially ruins your dinner but this is what i see there now. MIA for me has become a tragic story – more like – Missing In Action.
-Jim Lamarche – (September 02, 2010)
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Hi Jim…just wanted to express my appreciation of the great blog evaluation of local audio production schools in Ontario. Could you comment on Seneca’s Independent Music Program? I tried to leave a message on the blog link form Harris but couldn’t figure how to do it. Please transfer this to your blog comments if it makes any sense. All the best
- John Sharkey – GTA – (June 10, 2010)
hi John, thanks for reading and the compliment. Not sure if you’ll like this though. I met with the Director of the IMP program at Seneca in July of 2004 and had a good look at what was going on at the time, thinking that i may be able to contribute something meaningful. I found the IMP to be lacking in any real substance – all small format – kind of a “smash and grab” mentality on the community college systems part (like many of the private career colleges only directly government endorsed – even scarier). I’m sure not much has changed there. I mean … hey it’s a community college It’s slow and predictable. IMP is a game of ‘let’s pretend’ (to be larger than life).
the kids play with pro-tools and put together a “music industry” package/thesis at the end at the time – with their music and CD artwork / marketing plan etc. the game “pin the tail on the donkey” comes to mind. it came across as really lame and i’ve never taken it seriously since which is why i haven’t included it in my list here, not even really comparing to Trebas. Any school / program that focuses primarily on music biz activities and flashes it proudly on the front end of their agenda (rock school mentality) is a school i would stay away from (personally). Me? I’m no angel – I played the game as a teacher at THE quintessential “rock & roll” school (Trebas Institute) for 24 years, before moving over to International Academy of Design then Metalworks Institute (all essentially playing the same game). I’m as guilty as anyone. There’s a music business management program out at Durham College too – same kind of thing only with no toys to play with. Even Fanshawe Colleges MIA (Music Industry Arts) program blows it away. What these schools need is some credibility – in the form of say certain students met there and eventually became Arcade Fire or a successful artist now ie. Feist went to such and such school before hitting it big. That’s when the show begins.
- Jim Lamarche – (June 22, 2010)
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Hi Jim
I’m seeing that Metalworks Institute in Mississauga is launching a new series of “Music Performance and Technology” programs. I’m a musician (bassist) here in Brampton and am thinking of going down to take a closer look at it. I am curious to know what it costs and what you think it might be like, having worked there and with your experience in education.
- Glen Burton – Brampton (June 08, 2010)
Hi Glen,
MWI’s bold initiative takes a leap into uncharted territory and it’s a true test of entrepreneurial spirit in action – I admire the creative thinking behind this. This new thing at Metalworks is either going to be really good or really bad and there’s no way of knowing for at least 2 years – after they work out all the bugs (academic curricula, scheduling, staff/teachers etc.) and we hear from some grads afterwards. Just let me ask you this – does $44,000 (with the required trimmings) for glorified bass lessons make any sense to you (when you can go to an excellent – time tested music school like Humber College for half the cost) and getting a real Bachelor of Music qualification (Community College)? At least you would have a chance of finding legitimate employment as a music teacher in the public / secondary school system later (with an added license from the Ontario College of Teachers). Having a music performance & technology diploma from MWI will mean little or nothing for at least 10 years if/when it manages to build a long-term reputation for excellence – not unlike Berklee in Boston (non-profit) did 60 years ago, and contingent on a new renaissance in music which is unlikely. It’s a huge gamble for anyone signing up especially in the early stages.
With the music industry having become de-centralized and having splintered into billions of pieces, i can’t help but wonder how much effort is going to go into teaching students how they’re supposed to make a living in music after it’s over (or is that even relevant?). It will be challenging and yes fun though, and a great ego enhancer (which works well in the MWI landscape/scheme of things) – you may even get a shot at working with the winner of this years Mississauga Future Star – an event that MWI sponsors as part of their marketing platform – you may even get some free studio time at Metalworks Studios (proper) to record your new band! – where Prince, Tina Turner and Bowie briefly worked ions ago! But then what?? OK, for $44K ?? (how’s your math – crunch out some numbers here)? it’s like an expensive ride at the CNE – fun while it lasts, but then – what happens when you get OFF?
This may get something going at Metalworks though. In the two years I was there, I heard dozens of musical projects by students (in progress) and yet there was next to nothing going on creatively there. The stilted (controlled) environment wasn’t conducive to being creative at all (just a lot of going through the motions / exercises in wishful thinking). At Fanshawe years ago, I was surrounded by phenomenal song-writers and musicians and a lot of amazing music (sonic art) recorded. We were constantly astounded at the results. Everything was new not recycled. MWI needs to do something really cool (stretching it’s imagination) if it’s ever really going to get on the map. I tried to tell them that when i was there, but no one was ‘listening’, like the word “art” wasn’t in their vocabulary (irrelevant).
I’d like to be optimistic but it’s difficult. Far fetched but who knows? It just may work (for MWI). For the student / graduate … will the end (diploma there) justify the means and the huge expense? Maybe there are lots of musician rich kids out there (west end GTA) who have generous parents and spend lots of money sending them to expensive space camps in the US, outdoor computer workshops in BC and risky music schools in Mississauga. if you do sign up, please let me/us know how it goes. i’m curious to know how this unfolds. Just remember … it’s all about the money.
- Jim Lamarche (June 08, 2010)
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Hi Jim – I’m curious to know why there’s nothing in your report on Iguana Recording Arts School. I found them on the Second Career website and would like to know what you think. I am a song-writer/performer here in Scarborough having a community college diploma in General Arts and Sciences – having been recently laid off from Blockbuster where I was a store manager for 14 months and on EI. I am looking into a Second Career subsidy to cover my education costs for September. Any advice you can give me would be appreciated -
- Anthony Burrell – Scarborough – (May 19, 2010)
Hi Anthony
Iguana is new so I don’t know anything about them really. I’ve looked at the links you suggested http://www.iguana-recording-arts-school.com/ and below – and i’m guessing that it’s yet another struggling studio looking for a much needed influx of revenue, by luring wannabee musician types into the glamorous world of “entertainment arts – education” using a BIG SSL recording console and some platinum trophies on their wall. They claim to be the “most affordable” but there is no listing of costs anywhere. Staff (listed on their website) is a mix of drifters from the Trebas and International Academy of Design/Toronto Film School camps (teachers and former students). the term “bottom-feeding” comes to mind. I must try to remain optimistic though! Give them 2 – 3 years minimum before committing. It will take them at least that long to see straight (to develop a cohesive academic curricula / faculty / foundation that works right), because yes, Iguana COULD become a good school – and the Toronto Maple Leafs could win the Stanley Cup in 2012 (c’mon kids think positively). OK – 2 years min – you’ll be blowing in the wind any time before that.
Also, think again if you’re looking for a Second Career subsidy, especially with Iguana in your sights as they are an unregistered college. http://www.ontario.ca/en/services_for_residents/053263. I am in regular contact with the MTCU – Ministry of Training Colleges and Universities (who approve SC apps) and you won’t qualify (any school) based on what i’ve read in your email – also labour market stats jobfutures.ca has to reflect a “good” prospect for future employment in the NOC – National Occupation Code that you’re seeking funding for – so all of the recording arts schools (even registered) on the Second Career web-site (paid advertising site – not Second Career itself) http://www.secondcareerontario.com/web/second_career/ are wasting their time and money being there. MTCU won’t fund it.
- Jim Lamarche (May 20, 2010)
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Hi Jim – loving this overhaul of your blog – thank you for your insights. I’m still struggling with the private verses public question. Fanshawe looked good until i read this – and i don’t want to move to London. OIART sounds amazing but i want an education in Toronto, where at least something real is going on. I want to go to school but don’t know which way to go. Your blog helps – now i’m thinking Harris Institute. Rick Hanson – Toronto
Do your research Rick – there is light at the end of the tunnel. your tunnel. finding your fit will take some effort. good luck – jimL
i think most community colleges offer a good educational standard – at par with the ivy league schools. your insights, Jim are greatly appreciated.
thanks LW – it’s true but in entertainment arts, there are few or no real “ivy league” schools (even public). it’s all a big gamble and ultimately comes down to one’s desire and ambition. have a look at my blog entry “The Learning Curve” where i analyse and disect the public vs private school system in Canada, looking at the big picture. a must read for those who truly want to know the difference. jimL
Hi so lately ive really been considering the event/venue management at trebas. I am looking for a program that is not focused just on things like corporate events, and weddings but more entertainment based, like working for a venue.
Are the only schools that offer a course for this Trebas and Metalworks?
If so are one of these schools the best way to get into the field?
hello Nina – thank you for your comment. honestly in my travels, and looking at what you want to do, i think that MWI, Metalworks Institute is the way to go for you. Trebas is weak here where Metalworks (as an organization) has an active event/management company that is out there and working. no one else really touches it when it comes to event/venue management. at least, it’s real. good luck! jimL
Hi Jim,
Our son completed a Performance and a Sound Diploma at Grant MacEwan University in Edmonton Alberta. In his 3 years at Grant MacEwan he spent many hours in the studio and learned a lot there, combining his interest in performance and audio(he live and studio sound) he is now studying the BA in Applied Music at Humber. He is finding lots of opportunities to play in Toronto but not getting the same time in the studio’s in Humber.
Have you spent any time at Humber? I noticed that they are not mentioned in your blog so I am wondering if Humber was the correct choice. They seem to have the equipment but the access is limited.
Is Humber a colloege you would recommend?
Hi John, I visited Humber College briefly a few years ago, but didn’t get a lot to go on which is why this school isn’t in my report. I have little “first hand” knowledge. I have however worked with many brilliantly talented grads from Humber who have gone on to pursue successful careers as studio musicians, and even composer/producers in the field (some who are now scoring for film/television). My overall impression of Humber is that it is a very good school – based on what i’ve seen and heard and despite the lack of access to studio equipment, my guess is that your son has made a good choice in going there. Having a BA in Music is a much stronger qualification to finish with than a diploma at most private career colleges. i hope this helps. jimL